Comments on: Web design in Cleveland, 2008 http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/ Refreshing the web, one city at a time Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:14:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Brendan Cullen http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-707 Brendan Cullen Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:05:51 +0000 http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-707 Andy, I should probably clarify my position if you are reading this, as i tend to jam my foot into my mouth as quickly as possible when I see things I disagree with :) I hope you're working to adapt web standards because, really, <strong>there is no excuse to not be if you call yourself a web professional.</strong> My problem (here) is not exactly with your company as it probably looks like from my cynical off-the-cuff comment, but with you being promoted by a prominent figure in Cleveland. Yes you're <em>active</em> in Cleveland, but not <em>based</em> in Cleveland. I think it's great and applaud that you have a presence here, we need it. But there are <strong>plenty</strong> of web companies that <strong>are</strong> based here in Cleveland and I would much rather see them get the support and promotion of our industry leaders, especially those that are using modern web development practices (an area in which we sorely need promotion!). If Cleveland is ever going to be the Tech Hub we all see it could be, we need to either be evangalizing the people we do have, or get you to move shop up here. Then maybe you'll have my support. Andy,

I should probably clarify my position if you are reading this, as i tend to jam my foot into my mouth as quickly as possible when I see things I disagree with :)

I hope you’re working to adapt web standards because, really, there is no excuse to not be if you call yourself a web professional.

My problem (here) is not exactly with your company as it probably looks like from my cynical off-the-cuff comment, but with you being promoted by a prominent figure in Cleveland.

Yes you’re active in Cleveland, but not based in Cleveland. I think it’s great and applaud that you have a presence here, we need it.

But there are plenty of web companies that are based here in Cleveland and I would much rather see them get the support and promotion of our industry leaders, especially those that are using modern web development practices (an area in which we sorely need promotion!).

If Cleveland is ever going to be the Tech Hub we all see it could be, we need to either be evangalizing the people we do have, or get you to move shop up here.

Then maybe you’ll have my support.

]]> By: DavidMead http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-705 DavidMead Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:37:19 +0000 http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-705 Hi Andy, As I said in my post I wish you & Bizooki all the best. I'm glad you are taking my comments as constructive and I'm happy to hear that you are taking steps to look at the things I mentioned. My frustration is with web firms not looking at standards from the get go, especially ones based in Cleveland (hence the blog). I'd be more than happy to chat more about this offline if you feel like it. Hi Andy,

As I said in my post I wish you & Bizooki all the best. I’m glad you are taking my comments as constructive and I’m happy to hear that you are taking steps to look at the things I mentioned.

My frustration is with web firms not looking at standards from the get go, especially ones based in Cleveland (hence the blog).

I’d be more than happy to chat more about this offline if you feel like it.

]]> By: Andy Tabar http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-703 Andy Tabar Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0000 http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-703 Thanks for the feedback on some of our web sites. I'm going to take this as constructive criticism and we are already working to correct the specific issues that you identified. But let's be clear about the purpose of the IdeaBlob competition -- it's to provide funding and feedback to help us grow our business. The focus of our proposal on IdeaBlob is on our new tools and services, and the next phase of Bizooki. I am active in Cleveland, while a college student in Nashville, TN. Please feel free to contact me directly: andy@bizooki.com Thanks for the feedback on some of our web sites. I’m going to take this as constructive criticism and we are already working to correct the specific issues that you identified. But let’s be clear about the purpose of the IdeaBlob competition — it’s to provide funding and feedback to help us grow our business. The focus of our proposal on IdeaBlob is on our new tools and services, and the next phase of Bizooki.

I am active in Cleveland, while a college student in Nashville, TN. Please feel free to contact me directly: andy@bizooki.com

]]> By: Bridget Stewart http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-695 Bridget Stewart Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:25:30 +0000 http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-695 Wow Bazooki's site was a painful experience for me. I have a high speed internet connection and yet their pages loaded very slowly or got hung up (I couldn't tell which). I kept getting that spinning icon with the head or whatever and it stayed that way until I moved my mouse, which was usually 30 seconds later when I thought I would just move on to something else. Additionally, I'm with Brendan on the not based in Cleveland thing. Having a branch office in Cleveland doesn't make Bizooki a "Cleveland tech company." They are a <strong>Nashville</strong> tech company that has an office in Cleveland. Wow Bazooki’s site was a painful experience for me. I have a high speed internet connection and yet their pages loaded very slowly or got hung up (I couldn’t tell which). I kept getting that spinning icon with the head or whatever and it stayed that way until I moved my mouse, which was usually 30 seconds later when I thought I would just move on to something else.

Additionally, I’m with Brendan on the not based in Cleveland thing. Having a branch office in Cleveland doesn’t make Bizooki a “Cleveland tech company.” They are a Nashville tech company that has an office in Cleveland.

]]> By: Brendan Cullen http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-691 Brendan Cullen Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:02:24 +0000 http://www.refreshcleveland.org/2008/01/04/web-design-in-cleveland-2008/#comment-691 Actually I think that site fits the Cleveland web scene perfectly! It: 1) Uses more marketspeak than an undergraduate BA student writing his/her first proposal ("Empowers businesses with results-oriented web sites" - Really? A web site focused on results? Groundbreaking!) 2) Is not based in Cleveland 3) Outsources cheap labor in other countries (hey, that makes us "global!") instead of re-investing it in the community (This way we can undercut real designers!) 4) Has Flash for no other reason than to have Flash 5) IS NOT BASED IN CLEVELAND Is this seriously the best we have to offer? What other city, sitting on the resources we have running under Euclid Ave, that could fail so spectacularly at creating a tech industry? Actually I think that site fits the Cleveland web scene perfectly! It:

1) Uses more marketspeak than an undergraduate BA student writing his/her first proposal (”Empowers businesses with results-oriented web sites” - Really? A web site focused on results? Groundbreaking!)

2) Is not based in Cleveland

3) Outsources cheap labor in other countries (hey, that makes us “global!”) instead of re-investing it in the community (This way we can undercut real designers!)

4) Has Flash for no other reason than to have Flash

5) IS NOT BASED IN CLEVELAND

Is this seriously the best we have to offer? What other city, sitting on the resources we have running under Euclid Ave, that could fail so spectacularly at creating a tech industry?

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